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What needs_manual means on a preliminary quote

What needs_manual means on a 3DWK preliminary quote: triggers, buyer actions, rates.v1.1 context—and why it is not a rejection.

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Schematic Example part quote card highlighting the needs_manual badge when auto bands stop
Illustration: 3DWK original diagram (typical values, not to scale).

The short answer

On a 3DWK **preliminary quote**, **needs_manual** means the automatic price engine stopped and an engineer must finish the commercial number. It is **not** a rejection, a spam filter, or a failed upload. Mid/min/max bands from **rates.v1.1** estimate logic stay educational until a human confirms—or until you fix the RFQ so auto rules can run again.

This deepens the UI reading guide ([reading min/mid/max](https://3dwk.com/resources/reading-preliminary-online-quote-min-mid-max)) with a focus on the flag itself. **Example part** diagrams only.

What the badge is trying to protect

Automatic bands prevent silent underpricing on hard alloys, huge envelopes, ambiguous processes, or incomplete packs. When rules fire, the system prefers a human path over a falsely precise mid. That protects both buyer planning and shop capacity.

Buyer flow from needs_manual badge through DFM fixes to engineer human range
Illustration: 3DWK original diagram (typical values, not to scale).

Common rates.v1.1-style triggers (illustrative)

Policy evolves; treat these as buyer-facing patterns from the authorized planning card:

  • Line estimate above USD thresholds—hot alloys (IN718/IN625) and CoCr often stricter
  • Bounding box beyond automatic CNC/SLM limits
  • Geometry the parser cannot interpret cleanly
  • Processes configured as always-manual (e.g. certain molding / sheet workflows in current rules)
  • Material/process pairs marked incompatible
  • Missing critical inputs (grade, condition, qty) that block a responsible band

**rates.v1.1** planning anchors you may already know from other guides: bar $/kg PA66 ~5, 17-4PH ~9, IN718 ~55, IN625 ~60; SLM powders 17-4PH ~70, IN718 ~120, IN625 ~130, CoCr ~150; CNC time coefficients PA66 ×0.8, 17-4PH ×1.4, IN718/IN625 ×2.5, CoCr ×2.2; 17-4PH H900/H1025 ~+$60/lot when selected. High CoCr/hot-alloy lines frequently land on needs_manual even when the STEP looks “simple.”

What you should do when you see it

1. Keep the upload / quote id

2. Read DFM notes beside the flag—they often matter more than the missing mid

3. Attach or replace the PDF with datums and condition notes

4. Answer clarifying questions in the thread or form

5. Do not invent your own firm price by guessing from a neighbor line

Upload / continue on [quote-new.php](https://3dwk.com/quote-new.php). Background: [CNC cost drivers](https://3dwk.com/resources/cnc-machining-cost-drivers-buyer-guide), [lead time](https://3dwk.com/resources/cnc-machining-lead-time-buyer-guide), [CNC vs 3D printing](https://3dwk.com/resources/cnc-vs-3d-printing-when-to-choose).

Illustration 1 labels the needs_manual badge on a schematic **Example part** quote card next to where min/mid/max would have been.

needs_manual vs “incompatible” vs empty range

  • **needs_manual:** path continues with humans
  • **Incompatible / not offered:** change process or material pairing—do not force a fake CNC price on a die-cast-only intent
  • **Empty / error:** file or session issue—re-upload STEP, try another browser, contact support with the quote id

How to reduce the chance of the flag (without gaming)

Complete packs: STEP + PDF, alloy + condition, finish sequence, qty, need-by. Soften blanket ultra-tight tolerances. Split mixed-process carts into clear lines. For IN718/IN625/CoCr, expect manual more often and budget calendar time accordingly ([IN718 SLM vs CNC](https://3dwk.com/resources/slm-vs-cnc-inconel-718-brackets-cost-lead-time), [CoCr SLM DFM](https://3dwk.com/resources/cocr-slm-medical-adjacent-brackets-dfm-quotes)).

Illustration 2 flows from RFQ completeness → auto band or needs_manual → engineer reply for an **Example part**.

What needs_manual is not

  • Not a statement that your design is bad
  • Not permission to use a screenshot mid from another alloy as your PO
  • Not automatic certification, ITAR, or medical clearance
  • Not a substitute for sales payment / confirmation steps when live checkout is staged

Multi-line carts

One aluminum CNC line can show a band while a CoCr SLM line shows needs_manual. Approve carefully. Partial commercial closes create scheduling gaps.

Example part story

**Example part:** clear 6061 bracket → automatic min/mid/max. Same envelope switched to IN718 with no heat-treat notes → needs_manual. Fixing the PDF sequence may restore a band or still require engineer confirmation if the dollar threshold trips—both outcomes are normal.

What to do next

If you see the badge, respond with files and notes rather than restarting endless anonymous uploads. Services: [CNC](https://3dwk.com/cnc-machining-service.php), [3D printing](https://3dwk.com/3d-printing-service.php), [materials](https://3dwk.com/materials.php). Start or resume on [quote-new.php](https://3dwk.com/quote-new.php).

Common questions

Will sales ignore needs_manual lines?

No—those are the lines that need human pricing. Mention urgency and need-by when you reply.

Can I force an automatic mid by deleting finishes?

Removing required finishes to “game” auto rules produces a band that does not match intent. Prefer honest manual review.

Does needs_manual mean longer lead time automatically?

It means pricing is not instant. Lead time still depends on stock, machines, and queue after confirmation ([lead time guide](https://3dwk.com/resources/cnc-machining-lead-time-buyer-guide)).

Communicating urgency without skipping engineering

Write need-by dates and program context in the quote notes when a needs_manual line appears. Urgency does not remove alloy physics or missing datums, but it helps sales sequence the queue. Avoid sending five near-duplicate uploads of the same STEP—that creates parallel threads and slows the engineer who must reconcile them.

Trust boundaries for screenshots and finance

Finance teams sometimes screenshot a neighbor aluminum mid and apply it to an IN718 needs_manual line. That is not a commercial method. Wait for the engineer range or a confirmed quote document. Marketing illustrations on this page are schematic **Example part** UI—not live customer data.

After the engineer replies

Compare the human range to your planning band assumptions, check that material condition and finish match the email, and freeze revision letters before PO. If you change the STEP afterward, expect another review cycle—needs_manual can reappear even after a prior confirmation when geometry moves materially.

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